New Tranny Hard To shift!

[InfiniteGSX]

Well I ended up with a new crate motor, stage 1 clutch and a 40k mile SE tranny. Dunno if the special editions have special transmissions... but nothing has gone wrong till now. Was racing my friend's 98 GS and accidentaly burnt the clutch a little but I caught up quick and beat him and when I was comming to a stop... the car started surging as if I didn't let off the clutch, so I tried pulling it out of gear and the peddle fell to the floor... I pulled over and checked my fluid. Was full. Lately to get it into reverse I will need to let off the clutch while pulling it in... And so now I started the car and it went into gear.. but is very hard, then shifting... well it took pulling really hard to get it into gear and it would grind. Then after driving it a little and having issues on the freeway trying to get it into a lower gear to accelerate and it not going in, I started pulling it into gear while I let off the clutch and it will slide right in then. But not how Its supposed to. So I confirmed that when I have the clutch pressed to the floor it is hard to get into gear, but as I pull on it or push it into gear and let off the clutch, it slides in.....

Wtf is going on? What should I look for? I'm starting to think its something internal because its like the gears have to be moving to get it to go in, and I guess they aren't at all when I press the clutch.

 

[BigRand]

Do you know if anyone possibly did the clutch pedal restricter plate removal on your car? Maybe the pedal is going farther south then its supposed too.

Any binding shift linkage will make it harder to shift as well, so make sure there isn't anything obstructing that.

If you did the tranny install yourself, you might want to take it apart again, and make sure that the clutch fork and TOB and everything are aligned correctly. And make sure there isnt' anythign wrong with the clutch you installed, or that its not missing a spring or something important.

 

[Talon ESI-T]

if the pedal fell to the floor you have issued, great big ones..

First off the shifter is going into gear because you are rev-matching the input and output shafts. Its not your skill its just coincidence.

You either have a big air pocket and problems with the fork. If the fork has come off the pivot ball it will be loose inside the trans and you should be able to grab the tip of it that sticks out and move it around. Its possible you have a bad clutch master cylinder as well.

My advise is to drop the trans since you just put that in and most likely its human error. Your trans is no different than any other 2GNT trans. SE wasnt different at all.

Terry

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Ok, update! You get in the car, start her up and you can put her into any gear you wish... at first if your driving slow it shifts normal. But once you get above 20mph it starts having issues. its better to shift without the clutch. Because when you clutch, it wont let you pull it out of gear sometimes. And sometimes comming to a stop, if you press the clutch and leave it in gear it acts like its still engaged. And after you stop the car at a red light, it allows you to put it back in any gear you want with ease. Shifting without the clutch is easier then trying to clutch it.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

The clipse just took a dump on me today. So all day I've been driving without a clutch. Well it went out off an on. Getting onto the freeway in edgewood, I pounded on it cause my friend was around and he wanted to race or something , pos ford escort. And ofcource I've been having clutch pedal issues. But this time it really didn't work. So it took a hard try to get it into 2nd. But after that it was fine, then I realized that I didn't have a clutch AT ALL! So my normal problem just upgraded to NO CLUTCH. Before it was no clutch while driving, but clutch when I'm stopped. Kinda like when the engine is moving faster then 1500rpm the TOB shaft or TOB or fork sticks... Or maybe it was a spungy Master or Slave Cyl. So I pulled over and checked things... nothing seemed wrong, fluids normal. So to get back onto the freeway, I had to start the car without the clutch... so it just bounced and started moving. Then before I got into town, it came back. And stayed for about 45 minutes. When I got to the theater and found NO parking space at all... I figured the heat made it worst... the clutch would engauge the second my foot moved a mm off the floor, and the car would bounce around. Then I just completely lost clutch period... so I had to turn on and off the car to get it to move and stop.

 

[DSMcrazy3]

Did you bleed the system after you refilled the fluid?

 

[InfiniteGSX]

How I did it the last time It was filled, which is when the hard hydraulic line and the soft one came apart for some reason and I had to put them back together, was I let the entire thing leak out. Then when I had everything tight, I just kept the bleeder valve open on the slave, and poured fluid into the res. Letting gravity do the work for me. It was like the perfect bleed almost. But I did pump the clutch alot with the res open so some bubbles could surface, if any. and there were just some very tiny ones. My fluid is black... so maybe the fluid lost its viscosity and is now getting blow by or something? because it doesn't sound like its an internal problem, it seems like its a hydraulic problem.

 

[DSMcrazy3]

Just bleed it the right way anyways. It's a simple task and who knows, could solve your problem

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Ok, did it! I cleaned out the system first since there was alot of black metal lookin shit in it. like microscopic stuff. And its still not working. I think my Master Cylinder is gone. I think it has enough to bleed the system, but not enough to build pressure. I think its getting blow by... but there is no leaking on the system. At all! No leaking on the hydraulic lines, none on the inside and outside of the master cylinder, none on the slave cylinder.

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[Talon ESI-T]

When i bleed a clutch i force fluid from the slave to the master. Air rises with the new fluid. You will need a special syringe (sp) that you can usually find in motorcycle cataloges.

Terry

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Clever... so what do you do... just put something on the end of the valve, like a bike air pump or something filled with fluid?

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Ok, Today I went to Autozone in edgewood to get some supplies. On my way back, I had it in 5tth gear, and I started pumping the clutch and it started slipping the rpm's as if there was a clutch. So when I got home, I drained all the fluid, and did the gravity method again. But this time I did some more. I let it pull fluid all the way down to the ground and then closed the valve. Then I pumped the pedal a few times which sucked in some fluid, and I also squeezed the hose going from the res to the master cyl and tons of air bubbles came out... I kept doing this till bubbles stopped comming out and the master cyl stoped injecting fluid. Then I started the car up, pressed the pedal, and it slid into gear! WAHOO!!! So I drove around, my 3rd gear sync is totaled so 3rd gear is hard to get into gear without having the rpm's right. Then I drove around some more, stoped on the side of the road to do another inspection on the fluid levels and a few more pumps, everything was fine. Then my stupid friend showed up and wanted to drive the car, I told him not to hurt it, but he kept racing over pot holes n shit and the clutch stopped working again. I did the bleed setup again and natta! I dont know any more!


(edit) Just got back from a little cruise. Started the car, wouldn't go into gear... But I kept pushing on the gear to get it into first and it just started moving the car slowly, then faster until I could match the rpm's and get it into gear. Got on the main road and got into 4th gear and started pumping the clutch, at first nothing, and then it started slipping ... And then the clutch felt strong again. So I drove it up the street, pulled over and checked fluids, pumped it a few times and it was hard... so I put it into 1st and drove to a place that I could turn around. So I stoped, put it into R and then back into first and then it allowed me to shift from there and play with the clutch. By the time I got back home I stopped to put it into reverse to back into my driveway... and it wouldn't let me put it into gear... so I pumped the clutch and put it into gear and backed in.

could this be? Blow by? Bad fluid? Leaking? Air?

 

[XMasta19]

Get a friend and bleed your clutch

 

[Locke]

i would check the slave shaft and master shaft, see if they are bent. it happens sometimes. if they are straight, pull the tranny again and make sure the fork isnt bent, check that its still in its mount, and check the input shaft for gouging that the TOB could be hanging on. if there is gouging, try to smooth it with a file and emory cloth. reinstall and properly bleed the clutch.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

I was given a longer slave shaft to install. So I'm going to do that tomorow.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Ok, weird update. I got my new oil pan on yesterday and i went up the freeway to royaly abuse this childs orange mirage and I got to my old buddies house and the idiot that tried to steal my car got in and started it up and ripped it into Reverse, trying to damage it just to be a prick towards me.... ever since then the clutch has been working fine.

 

[DSMcrazy3]

I pounded on it cause my friend was around and he wanted to race or something , pos ford escort.

Then my stupid friend showed up and wanted to drive the car, I told him not to hurt it, but he kept racing over pot holes n shit and the clutch stopped working again.

the idiot that tried to steal my car got in and started it up and ripped it into Reverse, trying to damage it just to be a prick towards me.

Dude, seriously! What the are you thinking? When something is wrong with my car, I don't dare get on it and push the limits, or let anyone else near the drivers seat unless they know what they're doing and need to see/feel for themselves. You're lucky the last guy didn't screw anything else up. I don't know why you're even letting someone who tried to steal your car hang around you...

Good to hear the problem is gone though, but when a problem "fixes" itself, it will be back and probably more problematic than before.

 

[InfiniteGSX]

Its not a matter of me hanging out with him. Someone that is somewhat my buddy is stupid and allows this guy, and a girl that stole my ex girlfriends 06 eclipse and tried to sell it in Mexico, to live at his parents house.

the time when I pounded on it, I didn't have the massive problems. It was just difficult to shift. When I'd press on the clutch, it would take a short while for the RPM's to drop.

And when I let my buddy drive the car. He wasn't beating on it. He just kept stupidly not paying attention to the ####ing pot holes that were everwhere. Its not my fault his pos is a damn offroad ricer.

And the guy that tried to steal my car, I didn't let him near it. I only pulled up to grab my full size spare out of the house real quick. i was in the garrage, heard my car start up and I ran out and he was trying to get it into gear and I told him to get the #### out and he kept asking how I drive it and I told him to get the #### out and so he slammed it into reverse and the car didn't die... So I told him again and he finaly got out, and I got in the car to move it back up the driveway since it rolled down. and my clutch was there...

He went off laughing sayin that he tried to break my car and actually fixed it.

Yeah I know, alot of drama. I've been dealing with this kinda crap for a while. Which is why I never really go to my buddies house any more, unless I'm in need of something. DESPERATE NEED!


and yeah I know that it will be back... but the changes is helping me out. Helping me define the problem. Now it is looking more like a TOB. Since the Master and Slave Cylinder seems to have been working, but not pressing on the clutch. I have a spare, but it still requires me to take off the flippin transmission to do so. Either the TOB or the fork.

 

[96Eclipsed]

Honestly, just reading the posts, I'd say driver error is what's causing the problem. With the amount of "racing" you seem to do I wouldn't be at all surprised that you've burned out your clutch so soon after instaling it.

Wow.

 

[DSMcrazy3]

Honestly, just reading the posts, I'd say driver error is what's causing the problem. With the amount of "racing" you seem to do I wouldn't be at all surprised that you've burned out your clutch so soon after instaling it.

Wow.

I do believe he mentioned racing, let me think... Oh, right! Once! Also, even if that were a valid possibility it wouldn't explain why jamming it into gear fixed the problem, would it?

Wow.

 

[96Eclipsed]

I do believe he mentioned racing, let me think... Oh, right! Once! Also, even if that were a valid possibility it wouldn't explain why jamming it into gear fixed the problem, would it?

Wow.

#1
"Was racing my friend's 98 GS and accidentaly burnt the clutch a little but I caught up quick and beat him and when I was comming to a stop..."

#2
" Getting onto the freeway in edgewood, I pounded on it cause my friend was around and he wanted to race or something , pos ford escort. And ofcource I've been having clutch pedal issues. But this time it really didn't work. So it took a hard try to get it into 2nd. But after that it was fine, then I realized that I didn't have a clutch AT ALL! So my normal problem just upgraded to NO CLUTCH."


#3
"Ok, weird update. I got my new oil pan on yesterday and i went up the freeway to royaly abuse this childs orange mirage "

This is in addition to the other mentions of abusing the clutch either himself or by some one else.

But you are right, it doesn't explain why jamming it into reverse would suddenly "fix" the problem. I'd say it's the calm before the storm.

Basically what he's doing to determine the problem is similar to banging on a tv to "fix" the picture. Wouldn't it be simpler to take it to a shop to have them at least confirm what is exactly wrong?

 

[lesb1978]

dont a clutch need to be "bedded in" before you can abuse it?

 

[InfiniteGSX]

It wasnt clutch issues. It was trannsmission issues. And I wasnt really racing it. You, all of you race or abuse your car more then I have, let me asure you! I've only beat on it about 3 times and not heavy abuse.

A bearing ended up breaking inside and now there is a 6" hole in the gearbox. So I'm in need of a new tranny near the New Mexico area. If any of you know anything like a Neon or NT DSM tranny, call me at 505-261-1924.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

Is it at all possible this could have been a clutch or install issue initally, then you drove it in that state which caused the transmission to fail?

 

[Talon ESI-T]

Bearing failure is from obvious abuse and not having a working clutch. The clutch issue is air in the system. Dont believe me, i dont care. Our clutch lines will not bleed with the gravity method, the way the lines are routed, it leaves airpockets and that explains why it works sometimes and not others.


You treated this issue pretty foolishly with the abuse while you knew there was a problem.


Terry