hey guys im planning on doing a turbo upgrade and need some advice...

there are 3 people around here with GREEN's they are too popular i think and they only produce in the area of 500 hp, i want crazy hp, so im leaning torward the RED.... only problem with this... is the fact that there is alot of lag time before the boost kicks in but when it does it will produce an easy 100hp over the green, i can almost support the RED model as it is so not much needed for it.......

As for the T60-1 my overall fav... it has alot of lag and can produce an excess of 700 hp, this on the otherhand will cost a great deal in upgrades just to support this beast.. and what im wondering would it be worth it?

i have a good paying job so my financial standings are good, but i want speed.... i've seen talons that have ran in the 9.6's and it just blows my mind, this is what i want... nobody around here will push 9.6's thats for sure...

what do you guys think?

You'll shoot your eye out.

Originally posted by Chaotech
what do you guys think?

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Now I know Chris would like me to gently tell you to set reasonable goals and have cumbayah playing in the back ground but I’m sorry you’re just clueless.

None of those turbos you mentioned will get you anywhere near mid 9s. Overall power output isn’t the problems it’s hooking up and going down the 1320. If you are complaining about lag on a turbo like the red how do you ever expect to run 9s.? Guys like Hill and Shepherd run turbos that cant even make full boost off the bottle.

Even if cost isn’t an issue no shop can build you a 9 sec car. If speed is what you are after and cost isn’t an issue buy a Supra. It will make 700hp a lot easier than a DSM and a shop would actually be able to build you one.

"You want the boost? You can't handle the boost!"

I'm thinking you are setting unrealistic goals. The only DSMs running 9s are deidcated track cars that take a great deal of man hours to keep running like that. Very few shops have cars running 9s... for a home mechanic it's next to impossible.

Set your sites on the very respectable 11s. Then decide if you want to/can afford to/have enough time to got for the 10s or faster.

i dont want a shop to build me one, and im complaining about turbo lag because i want to drive my car on the streets as well... and yes i'd like a supra, but i dont want one because F&F made them over rated now.. before F&F i'd have owned one

Originally posted by Chaotech
Im complaining about turbo lag because i want to drive my car on the streets as well.

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He said he wants to drive his 9 sec car on the street :laugh:

A streetable 9 second DSM... that you build yourself. Not gonna happen. Sorry this is not to be an ass just to try and bring you to your senses.

For example... Brent Rau's 9 second DSM last year went thru a tranny every event (or evey second event). Also Magnus's 10.0 second Talon has the trap speeds for 9s but keeps braking driveline parts when they try to launch or shift harder. You can not build a 9 second daily driver DSM.

And no Supras can never be overated... they deserve any appreciation they can get .

p.s. I'm really beginning to hate that movie for the unrealistic goals it is putting into people heads.

Not ANOTHER one of these threads.

We need some of the DSM vendors to come up with a "kit" that makes it oh, so easy to mod your car. Over here, you have the 13-second kit--add that to the basket...great, that will fun to install. You know, it has a K&N, MBC, exhaust, and a boost guage, and some ported stuff.

Over there, they have 12, 11, 10, and 9-second kits--ooh, add that 10-second kit to the shopping cart as well. You can just "click" them and add to basket, put everything together and have yourself a XX second car.

Agreen uses a 50 trim compressor wheel.. A Red uses a 60-1 compressor wheel. IF you are looking for a turbo that large and still want spool I would say to go with the Full garrett it will give you more choices of turbine wheel and turbine housings so that you can minimize your lag with the sacrafice of some top end.

Also a 60-1 compressor wheel will not support 700 hp. The most I have ever seen is around 500 WHP. Even if you figure 20% drivetrain loss that is still only around 620 hp at the crank.

Chaotech,

Please understand that many people come into these forums asking how to get into the 9s and 10s cause they saw another car do it in a magazine or in the movies. To be honest with you, it's just not realistic. There's 1 well known DSM that runs 9's and can be driven on the street once in a while - but that's why he's famous in the DSM world, he's the only one that has done it more than once. It's one thing to get your car to run that fast once, but I guarantee you that you'll be breaking tranny after tranny trying to do it (and a lot of other parts).

Simply put, you have to be a John Shepherd to do it - with many years of tuning experience, a good shop that can focus all of it's resources on the car, and an endless bank account. People don't just build a car like that to drive around and impress people, they build it to become known in the racing circuit and to build up the reputation/business of their shop.

If you don't already know what turbo you'd need for 9's, you're likely not going to be able to get there anytime soon.

Well put Chris.

Well, if you got money to burn you could build a 2.4 Magnus strokers, with something like 10:1 or 9.8:1 compression. Fully built head wih some nasty cams. Dirrect Port on a custom T04 or T66 setup with something like a Haltech or TEC3 for fuel control. Then you can build up your driveline....

You would make some sick power, but it doesnt come cheap, and your going to have to be smart and careful to build, tune, and drive it.

You could spend $10k easy on the motor, head and turbo setup alone. Not to mention fuel, driveline, or saftey stuff...

Not that this setup will run 9's... Im just saying you could make some pretty sick power with a setup like this.

I can understand your passion, but why would you even want to run 9s on the street?
You will NEVER find a worthy oppenent....
Have you ever gone 11s? If you haven't, then let me tell you, that's more speed and acceleration than required to beet anything on 4 wheels outhere on the street nd press you into the seat.

I would think that the only reason to turn your car into a 9 or even 10sec monster would be promotion or money making, definitely not 'pleasure driving. It's one thing to build a 10 sec car, but it's an endless process to keep it running !

I have a 60-1 right now, going to the dyno tomorrow or Friday. Tuning it more since I have the MSD DIS 2 and leaning it out. Anyways, I have made 500WHP on it. That is C16, NO nitrous. I think it is possible, once I get the 100shot multi port setup, that it could hit 620ish WHP. However, that is 30#'s and nitrous. Now, the cure for lag is called upshift, you know, switching from 4th to 3rd, or 3rd to 2nd =). Wow, problem solved. However, this setup will be scrapped, I am going for mid/low 10's next year to compete in Pro Street IDRC East Coast.

This is a whole new can of worms, I have a Turbonetics manifold sitting here, along with a GT35R. I am stepping up to a 125 shot from the 100, and a lot of custom drivetrain parts are going to be concieved for it. This car will be in a street class, but I don't expect to be driving it around. That is just unreasonable and to demanding on the car. Seriously, who drives a 700WHP car, on the street, all the time? Once or twice a week, for 1 or 2 hours, maybe.

As for streetability, a turbo that you must run to get 10's and 9's are totally different from the ones doing 11's and 12's. Lag isn't a issue, its something that comes with the territory. The car itself is unbearable to be in for any amount of time. Due to most likely, weight reduction and a have duty suspension. You will need a kidney belt to drive it on the street. I think you should make a more realistic agenda. Aim for mid 11's, then go from there. That is my input.

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To answer your question, I love my 60-1. Smooth, and handles alot of my abuse. It is coupled to a TD06H exhaust, in a 7cm housing. I get 30#'s by 5000RPM. Hope that helps.

If you want 9s and somewhat reliability then buy a domestic.

Chaotech, What's your car look like? I'm close to the Clarksville area. Do you run in the mall area on the weekends?
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Honestly....i think some of you guys are being a little too gentle....

Realisticly...about building a 9 second car...
If you have to ask ANYONE about ANY part...you CANT do it. go look on the national times board, how many 9 sec cars compared to how many shop sponsored cars. looks like about 3 9 sec cars. All three are shops cars, and two cars have been a RACECAR for the last 8 years or so. you can't just put together the combo of parts/driving/tuning/engine building to go 9's. The only way to ge there is going from 12's to 11 to 10's to 9's.

Personally I have blown SOOOO much money just getting into the 10's. Probobly realisticly in the area of $20,000 to build my talon. Iv been through 3 engines, 4-5 turbo's, few different ECU..ect over the years. The differance it took me to go from a high 11 to a high 10 was INSANE.
high 11's was a dailey driver vpc/20g/nice car.
high 10's is nitrous/garret/vpc/afc lightened/drag radial/1.53 60' car
getting into the 9's this year....I honestly don't think even if I had antoher $10,000 to blow...i don't think i could do it.

I simply do not have the knowhow, the tricks up my sleeve, or the connections to get the parts made. I run a DSM shop, and have been into racing DSM's for 5+ years.

Another point...there is no "buildup" possible for driveline. It will break often, probobly every pass if you haven't been driving a mid-low 10 sec awd dsm for the last year. With enough power to go mid 140mph needed to go 9's on 4 slicks, there is NO SOLUTION to keep the car together. Hell, there's no solution to keep a high 10 sec car together. you could possibly go the whole year never making a complete pass without breaking. Look at JEff Hill, he finalyy made a 9.8 pass @ 142. He has basicly any part at his disposal. Don't think he doesn't do everything he can, that's just ludichris

Originally posted by Newlogics
I can understand your passion, but why would you even want to run 9s on the street?
You will NEVER find a worthy oppenent....

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Not in my town... they run low 10s on the street and above 130 mph.

These are street race cars... also, not to burst any bubbles, but no, not one of these cars are an import!

List of street cars I saw at the street races last night:

98 Z28 (Blown & N20)- Best time: 10.2 @ 138 (best mph 140)
70s Z28 (Massive N20 300shot?)- Best time: 10.44 @ 136
87 MonteCarlo (N20)- Best time mid/high 10s
80s Iroc (Massive N20)- Best time mid/high 10s
Mustangs(because there were so many last night)-several low/mid/high 10s either on 1)Blower, 2)N20, or 3)both OR 4)Turbo!

Again, all of these cars are daily drivers, though I doubt the owners choose to drive them every single day. So if you really want a 10 second daily driver, go domestic!

Can we make a fast and furious forum for people with stock cars that want to run 11s, 10s, or a 9 immediatly? I'm going to have a heart attack pretty soon if I read more of these posts.
Baby steps people, baby steps.

Originally posted by DSMotorsport
Honestly....i think some of you guys are being a little too gentle....

Realisticly...about building a 9 second car...
If you have to ask ANYONE about ANY part...you CANT do it.

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This is probably true of an 11 second car too. You guys who have had your DSM for less than a year, are still in high school and want to run 10s or 9s, it's just not going to happen. Not now and probably not ever. Sorry. Jeff Hill has been running on the edge of 9s for years, he owns his own shop, knows DSMs INSIDE AND OUT, knows tuning, knows nitrous and has excellent friends to help him. If it took him this many years it will take the rest of us many times as long.

Get 9s and 10s out of your heads. Work on 13s, based on the questions I see a lot of the time, it doesn't look like many of you have even gotten that far.

Nick, I'm right there with you on the heart attack thing. Stroke too.

No dude, like they can totally run 9's man. It's just you haters that keep them down YO. Like all they need is NOS and a Red, like only $2000. My friend told me about his brother who had a sister who's boyfriend said he raced a mustang who said he ran at the track once and if he would have hooked up he would have been able to get into the 10's and that dude won the race man. It was hella cool to hear that story. I like totally went out and got my eclipse the next day man.


FirepowerGSX

hahaha

ROTFL

want a 9 sec car as a daily driver...here ya go lingenfelter twin turbo 427 vette

runs 9.2@ 152 mph and gets 24 mpg on the higway

http://www.lingenfelter.com/images/427TT9.2.mov

9's are easy. just lighten the injector pulse and tune the NOS timing

This is contrary to what my girlfriends, cousins, dental assistant told her! ????? : )