Post your HP#'s with a 190 fuel pump.

JayRolla · Nov 16, 2006

Just want to see what people have layed down with the 190 walboro. Im planning on getting a pump and my goal is no more than 350whp. Is this # possible with a 190, 550's with some meth injection?

DSMcamaro · Nov 16, 2006

haven't had my car on a dyno, but according to this with a trap speed of 105 and a 13.1 ET I have about 290HP at the crank 250ish at the front wheels running a warblo 190.
This probably won't help you much but atleast it will get your thread started

MyBeatGSX · Nov 16, 2006

The pump should be sized to the injectors. If it can hold pressure with 550's at 100% IDC (I believe it can), then whatever power you're making doesn't really matter.

CanadianTSi · Nov 16, 2006

A rewired 190 will support around 45lbs/min of Airflow which is alot more than 350whp.

JayRolla · Nov 17, 2006

Sweet, I still just want to see what people are making on the pump. Ive seen all the flow charts and just wanted some real power numbers made with it.

calico · Nov 17, 2006

Not trying to hijack the thread, but how much hp will a rewired 190 support.

JayRolla · Nov 17, 2006

well from what ive researched its well over 350whp. I still have not had anyone tell me when it actually becomes a bottle neck in hp. I do know that it will take what ever my 16g can through at it.

CanadianTSi · Nov 17, 2006

calico said:
Not trying to hijack the thread, but how much hp will a rewired 190 support.

Whatever 45lbs/min of airflow nets you on that particular dyno...

SeeYaAWD · Nov 20, 2006

Currently @ 282hp. See profile for other mods and dyno sheet.

DSMunknown · Nov 20, 2006

Jay, if you look in the link below, Brian (compression) is running his Lancer Evolution VIII fuel pump and it's holding up quite well (and approximating its fuel rate, it doesn't flow as well as the 190). There are no solid dyno graphs that he can give us just yet, but you may wish to click anyways:

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244111&page=2post#33

RedTurboEclipse · Nov 20, 2006

No actual dyno #s, just my dsmlink estimate, which people argue to be close. Anyways, just to add to your thread, its showing 310hp. It was on 91 octane 22lbs, simple tune.

JayRolla · Nov 20, 2006

Thanks man, im thinking of going this way. Thanks for reply.

spyderturbo007 · Nov 21, 2006

CanadianTSi said:
Whatever 45lbs/min of airflow nets you on that particular dyno...

Again, an excellent post by Tyler. Fuel pumps and injectors should be sized for airflow, not boost pressure or HP. Although, you can get a ballpark correleation between airflow and HP, your best bet is to deal with airflow only. Then you are in the safe zone and whatever your dyno numbers are, is what they are. :thumb:

I'm making a whopping 242.5HP on a 190 Walboro. :tease:

My excuse is, that I'm still running the stock catback.

DSMunknown · Nov 21, 2006

spyderturbo007 said:
Again, an excellent post by Tyler. Fuel pumps and injectors should be sized for airflow, not boost pressure or HP. Although, you can get a ballpark correleation between airflow and HP, your best bet is to deal with airflow only. Then you are in the safe zone and whatever your dyno numbers are, is what they are.

I'm making a whopping 242.5HP on a 190 Walboro. My excuse is, that I'm still running the stock catback.

Your not alone, Nathan. Your not alone.

JayRolla · Nov 21, 2006

Im just asking so I can see what people have layed down. Ive seen all the flow charts and everything. I wanted some real power numbers. I really want someone to come on here and say they dynoed so and so and ran out of fuel at about this much boost/power. Ive found that the 190 should beable to handle anything the 16g can put out, but others said they have ran out of fuel. But if you go by the flow charts that cant happen since the 190 can handle more airflow than what the 16g is capable of.

spyderturbo007 said:
I'm making a whopping 242.5HP on a 190 Walboro. My excuse is, that I'm still running the stock catback.

Not bad on a small exhuast, you should still beable to get more out of it.

spyderturbo007 · Nov 21, 2006

JayRolla said:
Not bad on a small exhuast, you should still beable to get more out of it.

That was at 17psi of boost on a stock UICP. Since then I've upped the boost to 20psi and I'm running RRE's UICP. Just the UICP along with the boost increase netted me almost a 4lbs/min increase in airflow.

Too bad I can't find a high flowing exhaust that sounds like stock.

JayRolla · Nov 21, 2006

Upping the boost added a little of power, but the UICP does nothing. I noticed nothing with mine and buschur did a dyno test and proved that the UICP adds no horsepower at all. Nothing.

Too bad I can't find a high flowing exhaust that sounds like stock.

If you go 2.5" with a highflow cat, resonator and a muffler than it will sound real good. Not like stock but better than most other exhausts. The resonator really helps keep the tone down.

spyderturbo007 · Nov 21, 2006

JayRolla said:
Upping the boost added a little of power, but the UICP does nothing. I noticed nothing with mine and buschur did a dyno test and proved that the UICP adds no horsepower at all. Nothing.

I highly disagree. When you say you "noticed" are you talking about the butt dyno or some other way? Take a look at my review of the UICP:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196116

I was able to gain 1.76lbs/min of airflow following the addition of the UICP prior to any increase in boost pressure.

JayRolla · Nov 21, 2006

Yea buschur also seen a increase in airflow, but the dyno didnt show any increase in power. Email buschur and ask them if the UICP gives you power. They proved it dont. And yes my but dyno felt nothing.

spyderturbo007 · Nov 21, 2006

JayRolla said:
Yea buschur also seen a increase in airflow, but the dyno didnt show any increase in power. Email buschur and ask them if the UICP gives you power. They proved it dont. And yes my but dyno felt nothing.

I'm confused.... :confused:

Airflow is power, otherwise what is the point of getting a bigger turbo??

Can you post a link to the dyno test that Buchur did because this is what I copied from their website:

Intercooler Pipe Upgrade
The Buschur Racing Upper I/C pipe replaces the stock rubber and metal piping setup with a mandrel-bent, polished stainless steel pipe. The stock Throttle Body elbow is replaced with a larger, better-flowing elbow as well.

Typical gains are 7-10 hp with this part. Kit includes all hose connectors, and will not blow off

Found here:

http://www.buschurracing.com/dsm-stage2.htm

JayRolla · Nov 21, 2006

Its funny because of your write up spyder I bought my UICP upgrade. Now im saying its not much of an upgrade. I cant find the link for the life of me but there was a shop(buschur??) that did a dyno test on a 300hp DSM. With the UICP installed it had a zero increase in torque or hp.

I guess in certain setups it can add power like in your case, where is deffinently an increase in air flow. I was originally trying to say thats not where you bottle neck is, either is the exhuast. I bet you can get 280whp if you upgraded to a FMIC or meth injection.

wvturbo2 · Nov 21, 2006

i bet my 3 inch piping made a difference. It seems to me with 3inch cold side and 2.5 hot side and an hks tb elbow that it's floing a ton better than stock. If its pulling more air through u have to me be making more power even if its not alot.

Rice Over Wheat · Nov 21, 2006

Spyder, what is your flow rate currently on that E3 16G?

JayRolla · Nov 21, 2006

Im guessing no more than 1-2hp if it does add any. I emailed Nick at buschur and here is what he said.

Jason,

I do not have a link to it. It is correct as the upper piping really does not net a lot of horsepower. It is more for faster throttle response and better reliability, as well as aesthetics.

Nick
Buschur Racing Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Roe
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: UICP

Hey Nick just a quick question if you can take the time to answer it. A while back I read an article on your website about a dyno test you guys did on an UICP. It was like a 300hp car or something but after the UICP install it neted zero HP gain. Do you remember this and have a link to it if you do. Thanks.

Regards,
Jason Roe

spyderturbo007 · Nov 28, 2006

Rice Over Wheat said:
Spyder, what is your flow rate currently on that E3 16G?

Normally somewhere around 31 - 33lbs/min depending on the temperature.

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Post your HP#'s with a 190 fuel pump.

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CanadianTSi

JayRolla

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CanadianTSi

SeeYaAWD

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JayRolla

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