What kind of tires when you wrecked?

Doug99RS · Jun 26, 2005

I was on another DSM forum when we started talking about what tires we recomend. Having totalled my RS a few months back I felt as though the Kumhos did not help prevent the accident. First and for most I accept the blame since if it comes down to tires, in my situation, I wasn't driving properly anyways. So before anyone starts bashing my driving habits, I'll save you the time and own up to poor skills.

That out of the way I'm interested in some feedback from owners who have wrecked their cars as to what kind of tires you were running. If you were t-boned, rear-ended or some other form of accident where your ability to control the car didn't make a difference then you need not vote.

I ran Sumitomo HTR+ for two years prior to swapping out to Kumho Ecstas and then I wreck the car. Brakes in use were porterfield R4-s with GSX brakes up front and properly cleaned/adjusted rear drum brakes. I was running 17 inch Konig wheels and the Ecstas Supra 712. The weather was dry with a few clouds. Road temps were probably 60-70 degrees and traffic was moderate to heavy.

Without getting in to TOO much details like color of the car, how it happened or what, how were your driving conditions?

DSMJim · Jun 26, 2005

I have not smashed my car up before (except for a long time ago) however I can tell you that Escta 712's are shit tires. They are used on really cheap guys who want 17's-18's but can't afford real tires. I used to sell those and guys looking for $75 tires or $500 wheel and tire packages.

Currently im running Bridgestone Potenza S0-3 Pole Position. http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Bridgestone&tiremodel=Potenza+S-03+Pole+Position

They are based off the old rain tire from F1. They are the only tire used in F2000 racing (smaller level of racing) mostly because they sponsor the race, but also because they are a really kick ass tire. THey are also not cheap, $209 each for mine, 225/45/17.

Bridgestone Website said:
For those who live to drive and demand the utmost in handling and road-gripping traction, the Bridgestone performance line includes a variety of options. Two of the more popular products in this area are the Bridgestone Potenza S-03 Pole Position and the Bridgestone Potenza RE950. Both are patterned after rain tires used in Formula One competition, and both feature the UNI-T AQII technology.In both tires, as the outer layer of tread wears away, more of an underlying tread with a high grip compound is exposed, thus providing more consistent grip over the tire's useful life. This dual layer tread has taken the performance tire market by storm, with millions of drivers now enjoying its tremendous capabilities in wet and dry conditions.

http://www.bridgestonetire.com/racing/bsracing.asp

Tire rack High Performance Tire test said:
The sporting nature of the Potenza S-03 Pole Position's road manners was evident on the test track. In the dry, the S-03 Pole Position offered a good combination of overall grip and responsiveness and was highly praised for its composure and exceptional grip under braking at the threshold of wheel lockup, giving it the slight lead in dry lap times. In the wet, the Potenza S-03 Pole Position really showed its stuff, providing a level of driver confidence under cornering and braking (and quickest lap times) that just wasn't attainable with the other tires in this test.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/bs_s03_rd.jsp

bhop · Jun 26, 2005

I used to have the Ecsta 712's. I thought they gripped ok, but I don't think I would buy them again because of premature wear. One even blew out on me before the tread was even halfway gone.

Bostedquest · Jun 26, 2005

I did not wreck, but the only REALLY bad experience/almost accident was driving on BFG's.

It was in my 92 camaro and I was driving off base, and there was some light slush on the road.
Went for a slow left hand take off from a stop light, and ended up doing a 720, coming to rest against the center median curb in the direction I was trying to go, but facing the wrong direction.
I swung/spun the rear around, did a U turn at the first opportunity. And got my ass back on base, and changed tires the very next day. Went to falkens and never had a problem again.

92awddsm · Jun 26, 2005

Doug99RS said:
I was on another DSM forum when we started talking about what tires we recomend. Having totalled my RS a few months back I felt as though the Kumhos did not help prevent the accident. First and for most I accept the blame since if it comes down to tires, in my situation, I wasn't driving properly anyways. So before anyone starts bashing my driving habits, I'll save you the time and own up to poor skills.

That out of the way I'm interested in some feedback from owners who have wrecked their cars as to what kind of tires you were running. If you were t-boned, rear-ended or some other form of accident where your ability to control the car didn't make a difference then you need not vote.

I ran Sumitomo HTR+ for two years prior to swapping out to Kumho Ecstas and then I wreck the car. Brakes in use were porterfield R4-s with GSX brakes up front and properly cleaned/adjusted rear drum brakes. I was running 17 inch Konig wheels and the Ecstas Supra 712. The weather was dry with a few clouds. Road temps were probably 60-70 degrees and traffic was moderate to heavy.

Without getting in to TOO much details like color of the car, how it happened or what, how were your driving conditions?

I have found that the kumhos have pretty good lateral grip and good grip when accelerating but the suck when braking. I actually had the 712's on my mustang when we all took the trip through the mountains last year(white mustang gt). But on my talon, I also run the htr+ and am very satisfied. I would tell you what I had on my other car when I wrecked it, but it wasnt related to tire selection. It was more along the lines of sleeping behind the wheel.

cuttheduck · Jun 26, 2005

Not to be a huge prick but isn't it kinda hard to really tell anything by a general brand when its more the specific tire that matters.

Kuhmo 711/712 are not in the same league at all compared to kuhmo mx's for example. Its kinda like having a car performance poll and listing nameplates instead of specific cars (chevy,toyota,ford). Somebody says "chevy sucks". Okay, well are you in a corvette or a cheap ass cavalier? Obviously, buying cheap and expecting higher class performance out of a car or tires will leave you quite unfulfilled. I like the idea though, sorry for not adding anything crash related.

xcelr8n · Jun 27, 2005

cuttheduck said:
Not to be a huge prick but isn't it kinda hard to really tell anything by a general brand when its more the specific tire that matters.

Kuhmo 711/712 are not in the same league at all compared to kuhmo mx's for example. Its kinda like having a car performance poll and listing nameplates instead of specific cars (chevy,toyota,ford). Somebody says "chevy sucks". Okay, well are you in a corvette or a cheap ass cavalier? Obviously, buying cheap and expecting higher class performance out of a car or tires will leave you quite unfulfilled. I like the idea though, sorry for not adding anything crash related.

Thats why you vote and post..

Doug99RS · Jun 27, 2005

cuttheduck said:
Not to be a huge prick but isn't it kinda hard to really tell anything by a general brand when its more the specific tire that matters.

Kuhmo 711/712 are not in the same league at all compared to kuhmo mx's for example. Its kinda like having a car performance poll and listing nameplates instead of specific cars (chevy,toyota,ford). Somebody says "chevy sucks". Okay, well are you in a corvette or a cheap ass cavalier? Obviously, buying cheap and expecting higher class performance out of a car or tires will leave you quite unfulfilled. I like the idea though, sorry for not adding anything crash related.

There's just way too many variables in the mix to be able to tell if the tires were the actual part that caused anyone's accidents. Like it was mentioned... that's why people can add a bit more about what series tires and condition of the road and what not. It's pretty vague but with a bit more feedback from the owners maybe we can see a trend and learn from it??

EclipseSH21 · Jun 27, 2005

I hit some sand on a set of cheapass Triumph tires ( i run them in the winter ) and nailed a pole. :mad:

Then again, I doubt any tire would've made much difference- I was driving like an idiot.

laserspeeddemon · Jun 27, 2005

In my accident, I had a all-season econo-tires. My fault entirely, however, I have driven a car with Eagle F1's. And the difference was phenomenal compared to the Kumho Ecsta that was on the Integra GSR (another car I driven) Also the F1's preformed supremely in wet tarmac as well. It was almost like driving your average tires on dry road.

ltlredrocker · Jun 27, 2005

I had my stock Goodyear RSA when a lady ran the advance to make a left turn and took me out. It would not matter what tire I had.
But I have to agree with DSMJIM

Bridgestone Potenza S0-3 Pole Position is the best tire I have ever had :thumb:

they stick like glue in the dry and wet wether is amazing.

psychlow · Jun 27, 2005

My Kumho ECSTA Supra 712's on my Stang wore out in 10K miles. While they had more than half their tread left, they failed to stop me in time to prevent me from hitting a construction sign that I believe I would have avoided easily on better tires.

They were not meant for snow, obviously, but I hate driving my car when it's even wet outside because the rear slips and slides everywhere. I had to get good at drifting just to drive to work. :notgood:

92awddsm said:
I have found that the kumhos have pretty good lateral grip and good grip when accelerating but the suck when braking.

I agree for the most part, except for launching on anything but a completely dry, clean surface. Add any gravel or moisture, and you're not going anywhere for quite some time.

Game Over · Jun 27, 2005

Perelli Supersports on the 2G GSX when my brother took a left turn going up a hill and swung the back end into a ditch. The tires still had 90% tread.

Quasimondo · Jun 27, 2005

I never had a problem driving on my Ecsta 712's in the rain in my DSM, or with the Falken Azenis in my old Impreza (but it didn't take a lot of effort to make the back end break loose with the Falken's either). Driving in the snow was something else. I had no idea that the Falkens would be about as grippy as cotton socks on a freshly waxed floor when the snow fell and I spun out and hit a tree driving through 2" (yes, two inches) of snow. I was going about 30 mph, and when it came to stop, I touched the brakes, the ABS had an epilectic seizure and cutting the wheel and hoping for the best was all I could do to avoid rear-ending a minivan.

I knew better with the Kuhmo's especially after reading tire reviews of everybody bitching about how shitty they are in the snow, so my car kept off of the road even if it looked like a flurry was coming down.

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