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FASTSPOOLINGST

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I have a jdm swapped motor with 165psi across all 4 cylinders. I checked my oil return line and it was not blocked or leaking. I found this on the bottom of the turbo after removing it.

I had my friend following me prior to and he said my car would smoke slightly during boost and then when i shifted it would let out a nice puff. The turbo has normal shaft play.

I bought the turbo on Aug 13th. It has less than 1k on it too. WTF!

The car only was doing the smoking under boost (lightly) but when i shifted, a nice size puff comes out the exhaust.

Tell me what u guys think from the pics please.
 

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are you talking about bright white smoke with a slight touch of blue? are you talking about a nice puf of smoke comin out when you shift or when you rev it up and let off the gas and wait 2 secs then see a cloud? disconnect your intercooler. if oil pours out say bye bye turbo. been there, done that, upgraded. it's still drivable and racable just make sure you keep plenty of oil in it and carry a 5 gal jug of oil ( or 2 in case it goes). get a new turbo (i say a better one) and start getting stuff to hook it up while you're at it. chances are your turbo wont fit and you gonna have to make it fit unless you do your reserch. (lerarned the hard way)
 
95kate said:
are you talking about bright white smoke with a slight touch of blue? are you talking about a nice puf of smoke comin out when you shift or when you rev it up and let off the gas and wait 2 secs then see a cloud? disconnect your intercooler. if oil pours out say bye bye turbo. been there, done that, upgraded. it's still drivable and racable just make sure you keep plenty of oil in it and carry a 5 gal jug of oil ( or 2 in case it goes). get a new turbo (i say a better one) and start getting stuff to hook it up while you're at it. chances are your turbo wont fit and you gonna have to make it fit unless you do your reserch. (lerarned the hard way)


It's oil that is burning. U can smell it after a pull. and when i pop the hood, i saw smoke coming from under the turbo, that is what led me to find the leak too.

The shaft is fine....in case u didn't know, the turbo is brand new, and it is a pte 50 trim. I don't need an upgrade, I love the 50 trim.

I took the turbo off the car in case u didn't know, so why in the heck would i need to disconnect my intercooler? There is no signs of wet oil on the exhaust side of the turbo, or inside my O2 housing, or anywere inside the compressor outlet.
 
I think he meant to say, check your IC and piping for signs of oil blow by. If oil leaks past the turbo bearing seals, it'll get shoved through the IC and piping, in which it will build up in there.

Secondly, that looks more like TAR if anything. It could be just the picture, but oil is usually more thin and brownish. If your oil is that black.....well, I think it's time for an oil change! :p Was the turbo rebuilt before you bought it? I hope they didn't put "RTV sealant" to cover up the messed up seals. That's what it looks like to me, honestly.

On a side note, check your motor's compression. The turbo could be fine and you could possibly be burning oil through other means. Rings, PCV system (do you have an oil catch can?), or just plain excessive crankcase pressure from the bigger turbo/boost levels. Does your oil dipstick ever pop off?
 
I already did a compression check. Did u see the very first sentence I wrote on the original thread "165psi across all 4 cylinders" This is perfect compression for my motor.

No signs of blowby in the piping. Everything is dry as a bone and clean as a whistle.

I don't want to tear into the turbo because it is still under warranty, or I would do so.

The turbo was brand new, not a rebuild. I purchased it from SBR. I agree the leak does look like a tar substance. It looks also to just be oil that has been leaking and getting cooked on there from the heat and it has just been piling up.

In any instance, even if this leak is not the culprit behind the smoking from the exhaust, i'm pretty damn sure that a turbo should not be leaking anywhere where the center section connects to the turbine or the hotside. Something is not right with it.

What kind of seal/gasket is used to conect the center section to the hotside? Surely it is not just metal on metal is it? If there is a gasket or something in there between, that is probably the problem then.
 
It is just a metal on metal seal, no gasket there to deal with. On another note, it could be worn valve stem seals causing the smoke and oil to accumulate in the turbine housing. This could drain out of the housing and cause this.

Everyone who keeps saying it doesnt look like oil evidently dont relize how hot the turbine side gets and what happent to oil at those temperatures. Come on people, use a little sense. :rolleyes:
 
i thought maybe the seals. but there is no sign of oil deposits in the exhaust manifold, the turbo inlet, or on the exhaust outlet of the turbo. Nor on the inside of the downpipe. Plus, during start up, no smoke at all. during normal driving, no smoke at all, only during boost.
I'm gonna check it out again. I'm gonna bolt it up, do some logs, see what is going on with it, if i can check my air flow, or something. maybe my safc wiring is cutting out or something and it may be throwing it off and losing signal or somethign. who the hell knows. i'll post what i can find.

I'm still emailing and calling sbr. they are trying to help me out the best way they can with the limited staff on hand. everyone there went to SEMA show. They are coming back on tuesday, so maybe then I can get a better idea of what to do.
 
Are you feeding oil from the oil filter housing? If so, did you restrict the oil feed? Garrett recomends no more than 60 psi oil pressure to their turbos. Any more and the pressure will force the oil past the seals. At higher rps, our oil pressure can be as high as 100 psi. This could also cause a problem.
 
92awddsm said:
Are you feeding oil from the oil filter housing? If so, did you restrict the oil feed? Garrett recomends no more than 60 psi oil pressure to their turbos. Any more and the pressure will force the oil past the seals. At higher rps, our oil pressure can be as high as 100 psi. This could also cause a problem.


Yes, I have my oil feed line coming off of my 90' housing.

No, I don't have a restriction in it. I never heard of anyone else doing that to their set up, but maybe i'm mis informed. I would like to hear more about it. Do you have any more links or threads on it?
 
FASTSPOOLINGST said:
Yes, I have my oil feed line coming off of my 90' housing.

No, I don't have a restriction in it. I never heard of anyone else doing that to their set up, but maybe i'm mis informed. I would like to hear more about it. Do you have any more links or threads on it?

Im cant remember where all I read it at but I do remember one of the vendors stating the same thing. Look at post #122 in this thread. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138149&page=5&pp=25
 
Sorry to bring this back from the dead but my PTE looks the same way. But mine smokes, and can see oil around that area. Did you find out what was wrong with it? Did they repair it to for free? How long did it take to get it repaired? Thanks
 
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