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Lancer Evolution III Intake Manifold

Posted by DSMunknown, Mar 8, 2007

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  1. 94awdcoupe

    94awdcoupe Proven Member

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    rvr and evo only differ in the tb opening. port the rvr to 60mm and they are the same.
     

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  2. ec17pse

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    So you have ported it to be 60mm then, then I don't know, assuming your using a 60mm TB aswell then, as I said I can only assume since it's designed for higher end I assume it's a compromise between ore top end or lose end,

    Does having less TQ in that range matter to you that much? Maybe consider smaller Of piping to make the difference up
     
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  3. donniekak

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    Is your converter stock? A restall of the factory converter will get you right through that rpm range to where it makes torque.

    If you shortened the gearing it will be a little lazy as well because it won't load the engine enough to make boost.

    Automatics work totally different than manuals. I learned a lot when I ran a couple different auto setups. One of them was a 2.0, 9:1, 16g car with fp2 cams and an ipt restall. It worked really good.

    Before the converter couples it actually multiplies torque. A stock restall never cooks the fluid either, unless you are just sitting on the brakes and throttle waiting to launch.
     
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  4. Mello

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    I did not notice a change down low when I switched. Only thing I noticed was the drop off up high was reduced & pulled better in the higher rpms. Couldn't really tell much difference in the low to mid rpms.
     
  5. bling5tatus

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    I've used both manifolds but the 2g intake manifold was not on my car for very long so I cannot speak about how different it felt. I wouldn't be surprised if you lose some of the down low torque though due to the difference in runner lengths.
     
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  6. 94awdcoupe

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    I have done a crap ton of swaps and noting the difference. but all on 5 speed. this auto setup is completely different. when you drive up to the store in an auto it spends most of its time at 2000-2200. at low throttle angles it just stays at low RPM. I think this is why a/t cars came from factory with td04 turbos. they needed more low end oomph to feel turbo lively. I am weary to try ant type of restall. I drove a local car years ago with a restall and just hated how it felt. really just felt like a slipping clutch down low. i am also leary of using other peoples feedback. i am very fussy with my cars. one for instance is a hate taking out balance shafts. yet there are plenty who say they notice no difference. to that i would say you are not very observant. so for someone to say their restalled converter still drove like stock at part throttle i am not so sure. yes i get under load a properly restalled converter gets you right back where you need to be as far as increased lag and a way to make up for it. but that statement only applies to full throttle acceleration, what happens at part throttle is not much consequence for most. so to elaborate i am looking for simple solutions to keep the 2000-3000rpm as crisp as possible.
     
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  7. 94awdcoupe

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    the generation RVR I am referring to would be the 93-96 RVR they came with evo style manifold with a 54mm TB. the generation to follow went to a long runner manifold like the 2g. and there were still evo manifolds. but the rvr didnt get it. so that was why I was asking. certainly it gives more TQ . just at what RPM? and how much?

    i thought it would be difficult to get data as most are really only noting what happens in the 4000-8000 rpm range.
     
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  8. SexyDSM95

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    Has anyone been able to find or source these spark plug wires or have an alternate? Having a heck of a time finding the right size wires for this now LOL.
     
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    If you are after the NGK wires, you can get that exact set from AU (Australia). Be prepared to spend a decent amount of money for them. Many companies will be willing to ship to the US. You can also find them on Ebay (from AU).

    Some companies such as Magnecor offer custom wire offerings as well.
     
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  10. SexyDSM95

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    First thing I did was check AU eBay and search the P/N within various AU stores - no dice. Was hoping that the P/N was superseded, someone found a new source, or another vehicle fits. I even checked eBay stores for some Asian countries as well that have Evo 3's.
     
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    You still can get spark plug wires for EVO1-3 from Japan. I use the Nagai 8mm wires for EVO1-3. The quality is pretty good and they fit well on my 2G with EVO intake manifold / coil pack bracket. I attached a pic.
     

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    This was one hell of a thread to make my way though... haha anyway my main concern right now is running a map sensor. I am currently using my omni 3 bar in the mdp location (2g mani). Is there a better way to run the map sensor for speed density when switching over to evo3 intake? Also I will switch to cop to avoid the coil pack bracket fiasco.
     
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    Yes, you T the vacuum line going to your MAP sensor to any line that doesn't have "actuation" on it.... meaning, don't T into a line that has a solenoid on it, or any kind of valve that rapidly can change the reading on the vacuum line.

    Things like your electronic sensor for your boost gauge, or the mechanical vacuum line going to your boost gauge, either are fine to T into.
     
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  17. TSiBOLO

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    Way easier than I had thought, any recommendations on non-2g map sensors?
     
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    You can use whatever map sensor your tuning software has data sets for. The common one is a gm-style 3-bar.

    Don't pay for the overpriced omnipower sensors, yes they may come in a "nice" packaging but they are literally $4 motorola map sensors inside there with a few pins broken out to connect to your harness. A resourceful person might research what sensors motorola sells and then make their own without paying the ridiculous markup.

    The metal barrel style pressure sensors are made by honeywell. They are pricey but they're also the "best" map sensors you can get and there's a reason that you don't see the high dollar tuning solutions selling the gm style map sensors, they all sell the metal barrel thread in style sensors. I believe the honeywell sensors can be used for whatever you're trying to measure the pressure of.... aka the oil sensor is the same as the map sensor and the same as the coolant pressure sensor (for hg leak detection).

    edit: Also, I just wanted to mention that if you've been on a stock 2g IM for a long time and you're moving over to this IM.... you're going to be rather happy with the mid range and top end compared to what the 2g IM did. Can't beat the stock appearance too.... only the most astute of DSM people would notice a 2g head in a 1g w/ an evo3 manifold on it.
     
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  19. TSiBOLO

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    I am now a proud EvoIII intake manifold owner! $150 on eBay, shipped over the weekend from Malaysia! 2ED1912D-7114-46AF-8393-D2EAC66D8C22.jpeg 446E1434-E957-4B27-8533-4545406185EC.jpeg 851C2970-0F80-466C-87F2-088CA052720E.jpeg
     
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    I finally got the rest of my boost leaks fixed. Now the only one left is at the shaft seals in the throttle body. I've had a 1g TB on my list for a year now so I might as well make the jump now. And since I'll have it apart anyway, I figured now's the time to try out the new intake manifold as well to save me from boring out the stock 2g inlet. It's funny reading through this thread and seeing people asking where to buy them. When I looked today, there were no less than 12 of them available on ebay alone. I wonder why they're so common these days. It was honestly harder to find the 1g throttle boddy than the EVO manifold.
     
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    That's cool that you're getting close.... I'd really try to research what size intercooler piping is necessary for your power goals. I **think that many times people are using throttle body's and piping larger than their setup can use. I doubt that many people are being restricted by their throttle body bottle necking their intake. A "good" indication of this is the compressor outlet diameter. Yes, you can get some "artificial intercooling" capability out of expanding the diameter midway through the intercooler piping but this is not a replacement for a properly sized intercooler core.

    What I'm trying to say is that you will have better response using the smallest piping possible. I know that sounds opposite of what "car guys" will tell you but just think about the 2g intake/head small port idea that everyone has now accepted in the community.
     
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    This isn't the OEM Evo coil pack bracket, but I did my best to copy it from pictures. I'm using 1G NGK spark plug wires (wrapped in black), and they fit fine.

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  23. bling5tatus

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    I REALLY like your engine bay. Very clean and it looks like "everything is set up right". Impressive. Almost looks like they sold the car like that.
     
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  24. randman2011

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    I understand what you're saying and I agree that everyone makes charge pipes larger than they need to be and that my intercooler and pipe set far exceed the expected output of my engine, but I'm referring to throttle response, not boost response. Some of my lack of response comes from the throttle body boost leak making fuel delivery inconsistent during transient periods, but this has been a desire for all three of my previous DSMs as well. I am used to NA cars with turbo kits added, so they have throttle bodies that would be considered oversized for turbo applications. They give some pretty awesome off-boost response, but I'm not under the delusion that the 2g throttle body is limiting the engine in any way. This is all about feel for me.
     
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