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  1. Evo3 Exhaust Manifold

    Question by 'sacrileger' on classified ad 'Evo3 Exhaust Manifold'

    is there a fundamental diff b/w an evo3 exhaust manifold and stock 2g turbo 97 mitsu eclipse exhaust manifold? i have the latter one for sale...
  2. 4G63 Turbo Short Block
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  3. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    speaking of alternators failing due to fluids getting into alternators. i was changing a timing belt recently, power steering fluid found its way to slip rings, created conducting surface and shorted the brushes which caught on fire. here's what it looks like:
  4. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    in case you were still thinking about building your own external regulator, here's a vid how to do it including links and brief description:Output voltage depends on which zener diode you use. Use a 12 or 13 V zener for charging (1) 12v lead acid battery, and use a 25-27V zener for charging...
  5. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    i'll have to read more and figure out how exactly the neutral point increases output rather than protect the stator from grounding. the section 2.1 talks about "other auxiliary diodes connected BETWEEN the neutral point and the main rectifier":however, section 4.2.1 talks about winding...
  6. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    great find! it would appear that the neutral voltage is used to protect the alternator/generator stator winding from stator earth fault, according to this link:https://www.electrical4u.net/alternator/neutral-voltage-protection-59gn-95-stator-earth-fault-protection/needless to say, i am not...
  7. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    good catch with the "twisted pair" wires!! check out the unit below... single wire, three phase stator and rectifier with 4 terminals.... it definitely has to do something with the amp output. i vaguely remember that voltage/ampere output had to do something with how much copper is on each...
  8. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    i was thinking the same thing once i noticed vendors were selling alternators which looked physically the same but were marketed with different ratings (see my reply to @We're on Boost above). i'll have to figure out how to bench test this theory.
  9. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    i was going to speculate if perhaps the extra (4th) phase is the difference b/w various alternator amp outputs and it would appear that @steve in the post above is also entertaining the same theory. i have not read up on it yet and i do not know how it actually works but when i looked for...
  10. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    the interesting thing is that the FSM shows how to test the original mitsu rectifier which has three terminals yet when i just opened my old original mitsubishi alternator while i was scavenging for useful parts to refurbish the alternator in question, what i found inside was a rectifier with...
  11. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    would you be able to guesstimate what temps you're dealing with in your particular application? i'm asking bc the claim is that diodes start dying around 325F:i guess your reasoning was that since the front of the alternator is facing the strut tower and inhaling air which is cooler, you...
  12. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    that's a very ingenious heat shield you put on the alternator!!have you tried to check the actual temperature with and without the heat shield on? if yes, what was the delta? i am asking because i would think that the direct heat radiation from the exhaust manifold may not be as critical...
  13. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    given that the main cause for alternator failures in 1g cars is heat and fluids getting into the alternator and compromising the electronics inside, the idea of external rectifier/regulator, as proposed by @We're on Boost in one of his posts above, is a pretty good idea. there actually...
  14. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    i am speculating here ...i wonder if the reason for failing regulators in 4g63 applications is the actual location of the alternator in 4g63 setups rather than the regulator itself... the electronics in the alternator are exposed to high temperatures around the exhaust manifold and turbo...
  15. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    it's a voltage regulator and you would know if it's failing by either overcharging your battery (most cases) or 'no charge' (less likely). from reading about alternators, it appears that voltage regulators are least likely to fail... brushes or diodes are likely to go before voltage regulators...
  16. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    i consulted the el. manual on how to test rectifier first and found it confusing, i.e the positive and negative rectifier test while not being clear which side was +ve and which one was -ve. i had to go to external sources:i have my rectifier on the bench but unfortunately my 25w soldering...
  17. sacrileger

    Street Build Resurrection of the Red 90 Talon

    not to take away from your carnage, i think i can compete with you in the 'carnage department' after pistons kissed my valves - broken valves, smashed piston head, etc.:the above pics were taken from the thread below where you can find more pics like those above...
  18. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    alternators are super easy to refurbish. there's really not much to fail on the inside other than brushes and rectifier.as far as testing this particular rectifier, the dude has 6 diodes... three on each side of the plate. i only "found" 3 and i am certain i have 6 as well. i fiddled around...
  19. sacrileger

    1G Rectifier (MD133171 / MD136839) Test

    I am refurbishing my old alternator which most likely failed due to worn out brushes; however, just to make sure, i am testing all the inner components: the rotor, stator and rectifier. Testing the stator and rotor was pretty straight forward but i found testing the md133171 rectifier...
  20. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    how is one to determine the age of these belts? it's not like they come with a DOT code similar to automotive tires...so far so good... i am checking the condition of the belt every couple weeks or so..
  21. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    i did not have the tensioner out of the car. i used a compression tool to move the rod into its position by pushing on the arm so i could insert the grenade pin... however, there was tons of shearing pressure when i backed off the compression tool prior to removing the pin. in any case...
  22. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    i am very anal about having the proper length oil pan bolts in the correct place underneath the tbelt. in fact, that was the first thing i checked thinking i screwed up; however, it was not the bolts.interestingly enough, i learnt about the pan bolts from jafromobile as well...
  23. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    great suggestions... it has not occurred to me to test the tensioner. and you're right,.. i checked the timing cover flatness and it was, indeed, warped... not enough to account for the entire gap but still...i made my own cover (see pic above) to close the gap as the idea w/ RTV did not...
  24. sacrileger

    1G What is the structural difference b/w MD141454 and MD141456/61 timing belt covers?

    the rubber seal was dried out but not enough to eliminated the gap. i also have a gap b/w the cover and timing face for some reason on my talon... but not as large as the gap on the laser.https://www.dsmtuners.com/dsm-profiles/1994-eagle-talon.16298/yes, there were abrasion marks on the...
  25. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    https://www.dsmtuners.com/dsm-profiles/1990-plymouth-laser-rs.16297/i installed the belt as soon as i bought the belt around sept 2019... i have no idea how many months/years it was sitting in the warehouse.i theorize that the broken off rib was stuck to the oil pump sprocket which...
  26. 1994 Eagle Talon

    Street Build 1994 Eagle Talon

  27. sacrileger

    1994 Eagle Talon

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  28. 1990 Plymouth Laser RS

    Street Build 1990 Plymouth Laser RS

  29. sacrileger

    1990 Plymouth Laser RS

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  30. sacrileger

    1G What is the structural difference b/w MD141454 and MD141456/61 timing belt covers?

    i have gone over every bolt to ensure all timing belt cover edges were mounted flush with the block. all steel bushings and bolt guides in the tbelt cover made contact with the studs protruding from the timing face, especially the two lower bolts located at the bottom corners of the tbelt cover...
  31. sacrileger

    1G What is the structural difference b/w MD141454 and MD141456/61 timing belt covers?

    yes, i have the correct length bolts installed in proper place. i have two of these md141459 covers and when i take a timing belt cover off, i put these bolts into the spare cover. i have gone back into the manual to look up which bolt goes where so i am pretty sure they are in the right...
  32. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    at this point i cannot be certain of anything hence not correctly installing the t-belt is also on the table. this doubt was also the reason why i invited the discussion posted above re the different techniques of putting tbelts on and whether starting to put the tbelt on from the bottom up...
  33. sacrileger

    1G What is the structural difference b/w MD141454 and MD141456/61 timing belt covers?

    i have a "second hand" 6-bolt 4g63 engine which came with a timing belt cover stamped with part number MD141459 S / MD141461 B.this particular timing belt cover leaves about 1/2" gap between the oil pan flange and the bottom end of the cover. the timing belt can be clearly seen thru the gap...
  34. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    the reason why i have been obsessing over the torque b/w the cam sprockets is that i have run out of ideas as to what caused the damage to the belt. i am dealing with some serious drag on the belt and the crankshaft sprocket is pulling really hard on the belt to move all the moving parts above...
  35. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    now that i have the belt cover off, i have been experimenting with the relationship between the pin hole alignment and how far the tensioner pulley is rotated clockwise.i jammed a 5/32" drill bit b/w the hydraulic body tensioner and the tensioner arm, rotated the tensioner pulley clockwise...
  36. sacrileger

    Timing a 4G63 (my "Special" method)

    i went to measure the gap/protrusion if the pin is in and it appears to be 0.069"... is that what you got as well?
  37. sacrileger

    Timing a 4G63 (my "Special" method)

    some manuals suggest the protrusion/gap should be b/w 0.150" and 0.180" so i jammed 5/32" drill bit b/w the arm and the body of the tensioner but when i removed the grenade pin, the shaft actually went down (inside the body) because i rotated the tensioner pulley too far and put extra pressure...
  38. sacrileger

    Timing a 4G63 (my "Special" method)

    what is the significance for the grenade pin to be in the exact position that it can be inserted/removed with ease? perhaps i never got to appreciate the importance of this step. i had used 5/32" drill bit to set the protrusion but then when i removed the grenade pin, sometimes the protrusion...
  39. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    just a quick comment re the vid^ you posted: the majority of guys, including the author of this vid, starts putting the timing belt over the camshaft sprockets. for some reason i have not been able to master this technique. i find it much easier for me to start from the bottom up.this is...
  40. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    thank you... i'll check their inventory and shipping policythe two pulleys were made by GMB. part no. GMB E62/28RTN Double Row Ball Bearing https://www.locateballbearings.com/gmb-e62-28rtn-double-row-ball-bearing/GMB TIMING BELT IDLER PULLEY # EGT602733RVN...
  41. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    i put a torque wrench on the exhaust cam gear and i get 21 ft lb push back in the counter clockwise direction if i want the valves timed correctly based on these recipes:https://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/new-timing-belt-disintegrating-after-fewer-than-18000-km-why.540816/post-153856910...
  42. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    thank you... now i get it. the two peg "preload eccentric pulley" would be very helpful since i use pliers for that and it is very awkward. i am especially impressed with the cam gear positioning tool. i will have to look for something like that here in canada. with all the shipping...
  43. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    i dont follow^... the "tensioner" you referred to, is that the hydraulic tensioner? and what is the tool with 2 pegs on it? is there a pic on this forum? i am asking bc i am experiencing a serious counterclockwise force on the exhaust cam when i try to line up the timing marks. @pauleyman...
  44. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    your eyes are not 'seeing' things... the pulleys had belt shavings stuck to it and i did not wipe all of it off; plus when i looked at the pic at original resolution, the light from the top and bottom blends into a shadow at that spot as well.thanks for the vid... what a neat little gadget...
  45. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    thank you... the pic says all that i was trying to communicate here. my and @waltah 's theory was that the new belt was slightly under size and to get the belt positioned the way you have it in the pic, i had to rotate the exhaust sprocket clockwise to get the 12th cam sprocket tooth into the...
  46. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    i understand... that's the ideal scenario though. i tried it again this aft and when i line up the timing marks on the cam gears and put the belt over it i end up with the 16th tooth on the belt on top of the cam shaft gear tooth so i either have to move one of the cam gears in and then i end...
  47. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    as can be seen from the pics (over-exaggerated for illustration), to get the timing marks aligned and 15 teeth between the cam gears, i would need to pull/rotate the exhaust cam gear clockwise which would increase tension b/w the cam gears. i remember that the cam gears lined up in such a way...
  48. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    i have been checking and staring at everything... all the gears move freely w/o a drag. i agree that the damage on the outside of the belt was done by a broken tooth stuck b/w the belt and the cover... four of the six pieces fell out when i removed the cover and that was all... no other foreign...
  49. sacrileger

    1G New timing belt disintegrating after fewer than 18000 km - WHY?

    well,... if there's a problem, it's not readily manifesting itself; at least not to me. i took the belt off and the only damage is in the area by the exhaust cam and then one small area by the intake cam gear in the pic; otherwise the rest of the belt looks new and healthy. the two pulleys...
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