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2G 97 eagle talon tsi awd not getting fuel and wont start

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Afue

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Oct 12, 2018
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I have a 97 eagle talon tsi awd manual. I'm having problem with my car not starting. It will crank but won't start. When the car is trying to start it will have a bogging sound like its not getting enough fuel. I swap out my fuel pump for enforce walbro 255 today and still the car wont start. Not sure what else to look for or to replace. Btw, when I have the ignition on I dont here any fuel running or here my fuel pump on or anything. Do any of you know whats wrong? Please help TIA.
 
I have a 97 eagle talon tsi awd manual. I'm having problem with my car not starting. It will crank but won't start. When the car is trying to start it will have a bogging sound like its not getting enough fuel. I swap out my fuel pump for enforce walbro 255 today and still the car wont start. Not sure what else to look for or to replace. Btw, when I have the ignition on I dont here any fuel running or here my fuel pump on or anything. Do any of you know whats wrong? Please help TIA.
A quick way to tell if your getting fuel loosen up the line from the fuel filter to the fuel rail crank the car if fuel leaks out your getting fuel. i would check all the fuses and spark next.
GOODLUCK
 
A quick way to tell if your getting fuel loosen up the line from the fuel filter to the fuel rail crank the car if fuel leaks out your getting fuel. i would check all the fuses and spark next.
GOODLUCK
I wouldnt ever recommend spilling fuel intentionally, no way... if you arent hearing the fuel pump run then something is wrong, fuel pump fuse, fuel pump, fuel pump relay, ecu, in that order, IF you have spark that is.
 
check your computer i was having the same problem w my 2g and everything still had power the relays fuel pump and the c.a.s. car would crank forever and not start swapped the computer and wouila! Of course thats after i eliminated all the othher problems i thought it was i even replaced the fuel pump cause i doubted myself!
 
You have to check the wire at the fuel pump to see if it’s getting power, if it’s not getting power then check the fuel pump relay

would you know where the relay is at on a 97 eagle tsi or eclipse? do you have a picture?

also where is the fuel pump fuse?

I wouldnt ever recommend spilling fuel intentionally, no way... if you arent hearing the fuel pump run then something is wrong, fuel pump fuse, fuel pump, fuel pump relay, ecu, in that order, IF you have spark that is.

Sorry, Noob here. I swapped out my fuel pump the other day and when i have the ignition on i don't hear any fuel running or hear my pump on so I want to check the connector on fuel pump but i'm not sure which exact pin to test it with voltmeter.

Also i'm not sure where the fuel relay and fuse is at. Do any of y'all know where its at?
 
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99% Sure its the MPI relay (fuel pump relay).

Its relocated in the right footwell, on the center console, behind the plastic. Search for MPI relay 2g and it will pop up.

You just need to remove the center console side plastic panel that would be by the passenger's left knee.

Thats the culprit.
 
99% Sure its the MPI relay (fuel pump relay).

Its relocated in the right footwell, on the center console, behind the plastic. Search for MPI relay 2g and it will pop up.

You just need to remove the center console side plastic panel that would be by the passenger's left knee.

Thats the culprit.

Thanks, I'll look at it tomorrow.

The mpi relay has nothing to do with the fuel pump, the MFI relay is the one for the fuel pump.

On a 95/96 it uses a MPI relay which consist in two relays in a single box,.
On a 97/99 it uses 2 separate relays which one is for the engine sensors and the other one is for the fuel pump.

Here is a picture of the two relays, you have to figure out which relay is which.

I'll look at it tomorrow. I should find these two where Bettfootball describe correct?
 
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They are both the same but called MFI on 2g's (MPI on 1g's). The fuse for the MFI relay is the 20A one labeled "Engine" in engine fusebox. The fuse for the fuel pump relay is the 30A one labeled "IGN. SW" in engine fusebox.
 
They are both the same but called MFI on 2g's (MPI on 1g's). The fuse for the MFI relay is the 20A one labeled "Engine" in engine fusebox. The fuse for the fuel pump relay is the 30A one labeled "IGN. SW" in engine fusebox.
Thanks you all. I will look at these when I get a chance this coming week. I will let you guys know how it goes.
 
Sorry for the wait. I've been really busy. I replace my efi/mpi. I also check to see if i was getting fuel from fuel hose from fuel filter when I crank the car. I check for sparks from spark plugs wires. Everything seems to be working as they all should. So now I know that I am getting fuel and sparks. The other day I decide to take off my timing cover and found out that my timing belt needs to be replaced, so I was wondering if anyone has any recommendation on which kit to get? I just want an OEM spec kit. I'm hoping that this would be the issue once I replace my timing along with new pulleys, idlers, hydraulic tensioners, water pump and if that still doesn't resolve the issue then I'm not sure what else it can be. Also, I notice when I took off my timing cover, I don't see or it seems I'm missing my cam angle sensor which its suppose to be sitting behind my intech cam gears. Would anyone know why is that? My car year is a 97 eagle talon tsi.
 
Are you sure the cams are turning when you crank the car? You mentioned car doesn't start but did it recently? Something happen? There are much much easier tests you can do to find out why it won't start. Replacing the fuel pump is not the first place I would've gone. You don't have a cam sensor under the cam gears. 97 up it's back on the passenger side of the intake cam. You need spark, fuel and compression. What have you checked? Fuel is easy. Fire up fuel pump manually with the fuel pump check connector on the firewall. If you don't have fuel at the rail at that point the problem lies in the circuit somewhere. If you do then verify while cranking that you have fuel. Then you're down to control meaning coil. ecu etc.
 
Are you sure the cams are turning when you crank the car? You mentioned car doesn't start but did it recently? Something happen? There are much much easier tests you can do to find out why it won't start. Replacing the fuel pump is not the first place I would've gone. You don't have a cam sensor under the cam gears. 97 up it's back on the passenger side of the intake cam. You need spark, fuel and compression. What have you checked? Fuel is easy. Fire up fuel pump manually with the fuel pump check connector on the firewall. If you don't have fuel at the rail at that point the problem lies in the circuit somewhere. If you do then verify while cranking that you have fuel. Then you're down to control meaning coil. ecu etc.
Yes, my cam does turn when I crank the car. I am getting fuel when I crank the car while the hose from the fuel filter is off and I do get fuel pumping out from the hose where it connect to fuel rail. I do get and see that I am getting fuel pressure or fuel pressure does hold from my fuel filter gages. My fuel fiter gage reads at 47-50 and holds pressure. The car was running fine until med last year when I took the car for a spin around the block. The car just bog out and died and it won't start.
 
That's on the 95,96. On the 97-99 the CAS is on the passenger side of the intake camshaft. http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/cam-sensor-or-crankshaft-position-sensor.348501/#post-152003574
how often does these cam angle sensor go bad and how would I know if its bad?
That's on the 95,96. On the 97-99 the CAS is on the passenger side of the intake camshaft. http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/cam-sensor-or-crankshaft-position-sensor.348501/#post-152003574
 
If you're getting fuel to the rail while cranking I think you can rule out cas. Test for spark and injectors firing with a noid light
I already did that if you read on the earlier post.
 
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