what kinda hp where all of you who had a 20g looking at? Im getting to the poiint of wanting a 20g pretty bad.

IS the 20 turbo better that big16g and fpbig28? I want to run mad 11.s

with the 20g will i have to upgrade injectors/pump imediatly?

puttin on a 20g requires alot of mods, not just fuel, u have to get the install kit if u have a 2g, also u will need a external wastegate, which aint cheap, u should also have S-AFC, fuel pressure regulator, FMIC and other ****. You have to have the right **** to make the **** work right and not blow your car up.

U can also check out the Hahn Race Craft Super 20G. Makes about 350hp at 15 psi pump gas. U need alot of mods including a front mount intercooler to go with this set up. Check out HRC at www.turbosystem.com

I agree if you are going to safely run a 20g turbo, either wait until you can install all the supporting mods or don't do it.

what are all the support mods ill need for the 20g, im guessing everything.

the super 20g from hahn racing says it does not require a waste gate.

is it worth it to upgrade that much, or will i be happy/able to kick most ppls asses w/ the fpbig28?

intake:
front mount intercooler 3" turbo intake pipe,K&N

exhaust:

3" down pipe

3" catback

ported or aftermarket 02 housing (external dump is the best)

fuel system:
255 lph fuel pump

550 injecters


s-afc

a-fpr

gauges:
boost,a/f,fuel pressure,egt

act 2600 clutch(unless u want to waste you're stock on 2 good launches)

Dont take this as me trying to be a smart ass or anything. I've never seen nor heard of a HRC super 20G making 350 on pump at 15psi. Come to think of it I've never seen one make above 320whp at 23 psi. But just because I havent seen it doesnt mean that it hasnt happened.

Just for info my BR20G powered car made 369 @ the wheels at 21 psi on C16. Here's the dyno sheet.

Dyno Run

jeff

hey if i installed the 20g turbo, and just ran at mad low psi, like 10, would i still have to get all supporting mods right then, cause i duno if ill be able to do it all at once.

any of yall know about hahn racing?

I ran a TRE ported 20g w/34mm internal wastegate with no creep problems. You can run a 20g on your sidemount IC, just don't expect to get repeat performance as your SMIC will heat soak rapidly. You can run your stack injectors up to about 15psi (as long as you have an upgraded fuel pump) but you will need some sort of fuel control. Really you would be better off doinbg everything else first. I wish I had, though I never hurt anything on my car...I was pretty lucky though.

Originally posted by TURBOSPYDER
U can also check out the Hahn Race Craft Super 20G. Makes about 350hp at 15 psi pump gas

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Originally posted by swordfish
Dont take this as me trying to be a smart ass or anything. I've never seen nor heard of a HRC super 20G making 350 on pump at 15psi. Come to think of it I've never seen one make above 320whp at 23 psi. But just because I havent seen it doesnt mean that it hasnt happened.

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Yeah that’s just crazy. I wouldn’t hold your breathe trying to make that much power at only 15 psi.

wait wait, i can use stock intercooler with 20g??????????????????

he said you can use it but it will heat soak after getting on it barely and as the rest of us have said, its smarter to do other mods first.

A friend of mine used a stock Sidemount on his 20G temp. and he said it was choking the 20G. He installed a FMIC a month later, and he said it was like night and day. Dont waste your time with such a big turbo and a SMIC. By your posts I think you should save alot of money up and do this right or just stick with a 16G and supporting mods.

You can run "mad" (whatever the **** that means) 11s with a small 16G. Well, some people can. You do not need an external gate to run a 20G. I have an internal on my 20G. This is not for everyone. My car will never see below 18psi and will mostly be at 25-30psi. Boost control is not going to be a big issue for me.

The Hahn Super 20G is not a real 20G. It's a POS. Buschur Racing and Forced Performance (and their vendors) sell the real 20Gs.

350hp on at 15psi? You can forget about that now. You have to really know what you are doing to attain that kind of power on pump gas. You will probably have to crank it up and run some racing fuel. I don't dick with anything less than 116 octane. You are really cheating yourself if you don't run over 20psi on the G-wheels.

Supporting mods that come to mind:

Hacked MAS (1G only)
SAFC (1G) or DSMLink (2G)
550cc/min injectors (1G) or 660s (2G)
FMIC w/ 2.5" pipes (any FMIC should do, with a 20G location is more important than size - you could even put your stock SMIC up front if you are that cheap)
Full 3" exhaust / no cat
Fabricated O2 sensor housing w/ atmospheric dump
Big fuel pump
AFPR
Good Clutch
MBC or EBC

For you, just starting out, I would recommend a small 16G. You really need to know all about the DSM timing and fuel management and the physics of how turbo engines work to run a 20G (and not melt your engine).

Get a 16G, all of the above, learn, and then you can upgrade to a 20G.

yeah good point. i duno what the hell im gona do yet, but il tell ya, this last week i learned more about dsms then i thought i ever would.

The Hahn Super 20G is not a real 20G

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Is this true? Anyone have this turbo and can tell me about their experience? Or is this person just BSing? Do any other turbos come with the full install kit like the super 20g and if they don't how much does it cost to get the parts needed to install?

hmm......wish you guys should have told me before I got the HRC 20G is not all that great. I would have gone with another 20G. So far though I ve had some good experience with the turbo overall. Im happy with it and I dont think Im switching. It does outflow most of the 20Gs out there......according to the numbers they have on it, but then, who knows. For the price and easy install, its worth it.

Well I run the HRC 20G - internal wastegated.

Anways on 20psi I did 322whp. 1600F EGT - on 92 Oct. And 363whp at 24psi on C-16 1500F EGT

My mod list:
20G
Ported Exhuast manifold
Ported O2 housing
3" downpipe
3" thermal exhaust
Injen intake and K&N
Greddy LRG FMIC
All I/C piping
Blitz BOV - vented to atmosphere
Extreme manual boost controler
ARP Head studs
SAFC
550 RC injectors
Removed A/C belt
Removed Balance Shaft

For got my Walboro 255 high flow Fuel pump.

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Is this true? Anyone have this turbo and can tell me about their experience? Or is this person just BSing? Do any other turbos come with the full install kit like the super 20g and if they don't how much does it cost to get the parts needed to install?

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Yes. I'm BSing. I have 15 posts or something and I have been accused of BSing like eight times. I have no clue WTF I am talking about. I just post random stuff I make up. Here is some more:

The HRC 20G has a 10cm turbine housing. Real 20Gs have a 7cm turbine housing. Since a lot of people think an 8cm housing is too laggy, what do you think a 10cm housing would be like? The 10cm turbine housing is junk. I think it was meant for diesel trucks that only go to 3500rpms and run low boost.

I made that up quick, sorry if it isn't Pulitzer material. Next time I will try to make my pure fiction a little more exciting.

I would think that you guys with these 20g's would be turning out bigger WHP numbers then 320 at 20psi on pump gas?
I was thinking more like 340's to 365's......No?

BTW: Dylan, start thinking of some BIG OLE SLICKS, with that GST you got there.

what do you guys think about mutt turbos, like the ete/eta32 and 31?

i have heard good things about them, bults they dont reguire any install kit, they bolt right on!! the ete31 can handle 400 hp, and is about 900$

will i ever actually even need a turbo that can handle that much, like the green, willll i ever even be up to 400 hp? o

Originally posted by NitRous242
what do you guys think about mutt turbos, like the ete/eta32 and 31?

i have heard good things about them, bults they dont reguire any install kit, they bolt right on!! the ete31 can handle 400 hp, and is about 900$

will i ever actually even need a turbo that can handle that much, like the green, willll i ever even be up to 400 hp? o

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what do you guys think about mutt turbos, like the ete/eta32 and 31?

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Did we not see that this thread is called 20G?
Every turbo thread gets trashed with all this talk of dogs!